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    Posted: 15 Mar 2010 at 2:15pm

Do we have the right to scream “fire” inside a theatre?  Probably not, because people can panic and rush to the exit door and hurt others in the process; nevertheless, if an intruder breaks into a home and start killing innocent human beings, do we have the right to call 911? Not only we do have the right to call 911, but we also have the responsibility and the duty to do it. If we don’t, our conscience will torment us the rest of our lives for failing to do what is right. Of course, if the intruder discovers that we are in fact calling 911, we may become the target of his criminal intent.

 

This has been my experience since the first time I decided to call 911 on behalf of the unborn. Now, bear in mind that I am a shy man by nature. Last Sabbath evening, following the screening of “The Adventist” film at the Loma Linda University Church, when the audience was given the chance to ask questions and a man asked the film producer whether he had discovered anything negative about the work of Adventists, I was shaking in my boots.

 

I did not want to say anything. Actually I was asking the Lord for power to remain silent. It was a great film, and the Adventist Church had been portrayed in the best possible light at a cost of over half a million dollars. Why should I introduce a sour note in the midst of a great celebration following a standing ovation for what Mr. Doblmeier had produced? But the “Silent Scream” of the unborn did resonate in my ears loud and clear, and I decided to call 911. I raised my hand and asked the film producer whether he was aware that our Adventist hospitals were involved in the business of killing innocent babies.

 

There was a dead silence inside the packed church as the film producer responded that if I wanted a change of policy in my church I should request the same through the proper channels. I wanted to scream for all to hear that I had done that already a thousand times and everything had fallen in deaf ears, but my time was up, and I had to suffer in silence. One kind pro-life sister talked to me and told me that she was glad I had the courage to speak, and she said she was surprised that I managed to speak with such calm and clarity. Well, I was shaking in my boots, and it took me a whole hour to regain my composure.

 

Did I do right, or was I wrong in pouring water on the festivity? I had no intention of ruining a great celebration, but the question posed by that man was the catalyst which prompted me to speak on behalf of those who cannot speak for themselves. I know that what I said must have made my pastor very unhappy. Did I make the Lord unhappy as well? What do you think?

 

I did say that I am a shy person by nature. I remember that when I was about ten years old, I was asked to recite a poem for a school program at the local church. I had rehearsed that poem a hundred times, and I could recite it flawlessly. Nevertheless, when I got in front of the audience, I got stuck in the middle of my recital, and the teacher had to prod me on. I felt so embarrassed I told my parents and friends I would never volunteer again to speak in public.

 

Well, the Lord had other plans for me, and I eventually became a teacher. Can a teacher be silent? He can, but if he does, his paycheck will stop arriving on a regular basis. I had no choice but to confront and defy my shyness. I am almost 80, and I still have to fight this fear of making a fool of myself; a fear of rocking the boat at the wrong time. So my question to you is: Do we have the right to rock the boat on the issue of abortion?



Edited by Nic Samojluk - 15 Mar 2010 at 2:20pm
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Yes, Nic, we have that right, remembering that when we exercise our rights, we risk offending and encountering the rights of another. The case scenario could be expanded to include many other sensitive topics.

It seems that that you spoke succinctly and with dignity as well as conviction. Of course, some would disagree with the timing. For many, undoubtedly, it would have struck a sour note. But you would have made a few think. My impression, from what I read here, is that you spoke in response to the stirring of the Spirit...in that you are naturally shy, don't go looking for opportunities to stir up trouble, that you remained calm, and how you trembled afterward. The opportunity presented itself and you ran with it.

It is a similar case to when there is a room full of journalists and one journalist will, in a few choice words, pose a question or make a remark that stops the room with its timing and truth. Likewise, Jesus, with a few well timed, weighted words, delivered many a two-edged sword.

What are your thoughts now as you reflect on what you said? I sense a hint of regret, but perhaps I am wrong.

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If the Spirit moves you Nic you must trust in the Lord that it WAS the RIGHT time to say something....  otherwise you grieve the Holy spirit.
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I agree , I don't think you did anything wrong. Truth is truth.
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I am happy you spoke Smile
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Nic:Do we have the right to scream “fire” inside a theatre?

Robert: I am glad that you are here and contributing Nic. To answer your implied question: I think you have a perfect right to speak up your concerns. Whether that was the appropriate time and place to do so is another question. Quite probably it was OK if the film was just for a Seventh-day Adventist audience and designed with the intent of making Church members feel that we are "rich and increased with goods" etc. On the other hand, if it was for the public to see what our church is about, then I would not say anything.

You remind me of myself. I too have quaked in my boots many times when I have been impressed to stand up and speak out on something.
The invitation was for anyone to say whether they had found anything negative about the SDA work, and you correctly did that. You could have spoken for hours I reckon.

God bless you for having the courage to do what the Lord impressed you to do.

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Originally posted by lily-of-the-field

Yes, Nic, we have that right, remembering that when we exercise our rights, we risk offending and encountering the rights of another. The case scenario could be expanded to include many other sensitive topics.

It seems that that you spoke succinctly and with dignity as well as conviction. Of course, some would disagree with the timing. For many, undoubtedly, it would have struck a sour note. But you would have made a few think. My impression, from what I read here, is that you spoke in response to the stirring of the Spirit...in that you are naturally shy, don't go looking for opportunities to stir up trouble, that you remained calm, and how you trembled afterward. The opportunity presented itself and you ran with it.

It is a similar case to when there is a room full of journalists and one journalist will, in a few choice words, pose a question or make a remark that stops the room with its timing and truth. Likewise, Jesus, with a few well timed, weighted words, delivered many a two-edged sword.

What are your thoughts now as you reflect on what you said? I sense a hint of regret, but perhaps I am wrong.


Lily, I love the way you have addressed Nic's question here: it reveals a thoughtful analysis of the issue.

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Originally posted by Nic Samojluk

Well, the Lord had other plans for me, and I eventually became a teacher. Can a teacher be silent? He can, but if he does, his paycheck will stop arriving on a regular basis. I had no choice but to confront and defy my shyness. I am almost 80, and I still have to fight this fear of making a fool of myself; a fear of rocking the boat at the wrong time. So my question to you is: Do we have the right to rock the boat on the issue of abortion?


Dear Brother Nic! You have touched my heart this morning.  You have 5 years to catch up on me in age so I can assure you that you will NEVER overcome the fear of making a fool of yourself, no matter how much you may desire to do so. I have never been able to overcome that fear, even in SS where I constantly am obliged to defend the truth. My brother, I am SO glad that you and I are shaking hands as it were.


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Originally posted by lily-of-the-field

Yes, Nic, we have that right, remembering that when we exercise our rights, we risk offending and encountering the rights of another. The case scenario could be expanded to include many other sensitive topics.

It seems that that you spoke succinctly and with dignity as well as conviction. Of course, some would disagree with the timing. For many, undoubtedly, it would have struck a sour note. But you would have made a few think. My impression, from what I read here, is that you spoke in response to the stirring of the Spirit...in that you are naturally shy, don't go looking for opportunities to stir up trouble, that you remained calm, and how you trembled afterward. The opportunity presented itself and you ran with it.

It is a similar case to when there is a room full of journalists and one journalist will, in a few choice words, pose a question or make a remark that stops the room with its timing and truth. Likewise, Jesus, with a few well timed, weighted words, delivered many a two-edged sword.

What are your thoughts now as you reflect on what you said? I sense a hint of regret, but perhaps I am wrong.
 
No, I don't regret it, but remember that I have not faced yet the ire of those who hate what I am doing. When I shared the story about the Feldkamp tragedy and his connection with the abortion industry with some friends by Email sometime ago--a story I had not written--my pastor gave me the strongest reprimand I have ever received in my life and instructed me to get his name of my mailing list.
 
Thanks for your words of encouragement!
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Originally posted by RobertParker

Nic:Do we have the right to scream “fire” inside a theatre?

Robert: I am glad that you are here and contributing Nic. To answer your implied question: I think you have a perfect right to speak up your concerns. Whether that was the appropriate time and place to do so is another question. Quite probably it was OK if the film was just for a Seventh-day Adventist audience and designed with the intent of making Church members feel that we are "rich and increased with goods" etc. On the other hand, if it was for the public to see what our church is about, then I would not say anything.

You remind me of myself. I too have quaked in my boots many times when I have been impressed to stand up and speak out on something.
The invitation was for anyone to say whether they had found anything negative about the SDA work, and you correctly did that. You could have spoken for hours I reckon.

God bless you for having the courage to do what the Lord impressed you to do.

Robert
I wish my pastor would say what you just said.
 
Yes, I could have spoken longer than the one minute I was granted,  but a minute is better than zero minutes. A single bite when you are starved is better than starving, and half an enchilada is better than no enchilada.
 
Thanks for you kind comments!


Edited by Nic Samojluk - 16 Mar 2010 at 12:25am
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